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    Jigging the Tampa Bay area for Pompano

    I’ve been meaning to gather my thoughts and experience and put it on paper and share it with everyone.

    First of all, I am no expert; I just spend a fair amount of time chasing them. I think most of you have read about catching them with fiddler crabs around the bridges or using sand fleas in the surf, but ever since the first day that the species got me hooked, I was and will always jig for them. It�s not that I am an elitist and think that fooling them with artificial lures is the only way to go; it is because I’m too lazy to gather crabs and my fishing time is limited. It is a rare day that I spend more than 4-5 hours on the water due to family and work commitment.

    I do believe that fooling them with artificial lure will make you a better fisherman overall. The constant casting, jigging, in varying wind and currents whether you are drifting, anchoring or with the trolling motor on, will fine tune your feel for the bottom, where the species feed(most of the time).

    I will be discussing the when, where and how to jigging the Tampa Bay area for those tasty fish, I wish it breaks down as easily as 30% when, 30% where, and 40% how, but you really need 100% when, 100% where, and 100% how to, to constantly succeed at catching them. You can have the best technique and be in the right place and not catch them, IF they are not around AT THAT TIME.

    The two variables you can’t control are the when and where. The Pompano will be somewhere, feeding at any given time. The one thing you can control is the how.


    Since we will be jigging for them and they feed mainly on the bottom, you must learn how to keep your jig in the strike zone, often in fast moving current. Yes you can catch them with mono, but it is a whole lot easier with the added sensitivity of braid.

    You don’t need to break the bank either, a $70 Daiwa Exceler with a 7ft medium action Red Bone will catch just as many fish as a Daiwa Certate on Loomis GLX. You can use an ugly stick, and I know a guy that use them very successfully too, but I recommend a fast action graphite stick for the best sensitivity.

    I recommend 10lb braid, unless you constantly run into 15-16 inch fish that loves to hug the pilings. It has been my experience that Pompano bigger than 4 lbs, like their bigger brother the Permit, prefer crabs when they get that big. So since your fish will be the 1-3lbs variety, 10lb braid and 20lb mono leader is all you really need, even around bridges. 10lb braid will also cut through fast running current better than 20lb braid, allowing you to use the lightest jig possible.

    You can find countless discussions on braids and braid to mono knots, use the one that gives you the most confidence. Most 10lbs braids break at least 10lbs with the right combination of knots.

    The jigs that work for me are 3/8 to 1/2 oz Doc’s jig with teaser, Nylure Chrome head jig, and the new swivel jig which is really a modified buck tail jig with the hook attached to the main lead head by way of a swivel to increase the action. They are pictured below. If you are in a pinch, any yellow buck tail jig will work just fine. Tie them using your favorite loop knot.

    You look at the above picture and you wonder why they catch Pompano. I caught 100’s of Pompano in the first couple months that I started jigging for them with Doc’s jig and teaser but I wasn’t able to figure out why they are attracted to a banana shape jig. It certainly doesn’t look like any of the mussels that are attached to the pilings around the Gandy catwalk. It doesn’t look like sand flea or fiddler crab, except for maybe the nylure jig head. I can see how they mistake the chrome head for a sand flea. The only thing that resembles a small shrimp is the teaser flies, AND that is what they hit 80% of the time. I’ve come to the conclusion that they are a curious fish and they come in for a close look when they see a brightly lit jig bounce up and down the bottom, They take a close look and nab the teaser. If the Doc’s jig and teaser work, there is no reason why the swivel jig will not work. It’s the same concept, a brightly lit lead head to get the teaser or flies down into the strike zone.

    It is not so much your choice of jigs but rather your level of confidence in the jigs you choose. It makes a BIG difference since you are either going to jig sloppily or you are going to jig like you think the fish are looking at it. The nylure is popular everywhere except for the Tampa Bay area. Doc’s jig seems to be the most popular choice of jig here because they sink fast around bridges with fast moving water. Personally, when the current slows down, I either drop down to smaller Doc’s jig or my new favorite, a 3/8 oz swivel jig.

    The best colors for me are any combination of yellow, white, pink, and chartreuse. You want your jig to be flas
    hy to lure them in and you want your presentation to be right for them to commit. Believe me, they come in for a good look before they commit. I see that all the time observing Pompano fishermen on the bridge and catwalk. Some will catch them while others won’t, and they are standing 3 feet apart.

    Since you will be constantly casting and jigging, buy the best you can afford that will give you the best combination of lightness and sensitivity since you don’t want to wear yourself out. Step up to medium action rod if you are jigging from the bridge and leave the medium light action for the boat. 7ft rod is just perfect for most situations.

    The technique is simple, pick the lightest jig possible for a given situation and throw it up tide and let it sink to the bottom. Now pick up slack and slowly hop it 6-9 inches of the bottom and let it sink back down AND TOUCH the bottom with each hop as you pick up slack as the jig is coming back toward you. Braid makes that job a lot easier. Every time you hop it, you want the jig to FREE FALL toward the bottom. So you will have some slack in the line and often you won’t feel the jig hit the bottom. But you will SEE it if you learn to watch your line. It will sink fast and come to a stop before the current starts to sweep and put a bow in your line. Some time you will feel a mosquito tick as your lure free falls toward the bottom, that’s the Pompano on the other end. Hop it again and the hook is set.

    I can not over stress the importance of maintaining contact with the bottom with each hop. I can count in 2 hands the numbers of Pompano that actually chase my jig AND commit as I reel the jig back in to make another cast.

    The other technique popularized by local bridge fishermen is to fish down tide and let the current sweep the jig away from you. This is done by dropping the jig straight down, vertically jigging, while letting line out every now and then to maintain contact with the bottom as the current takes the jig farther and farther out. This is not an easy way to fish and you will need lots of practice before you get good at it. Most people drop the jig down, let it sink toward the bottom, and constantly whip the rod up and down, unaware that the current has swept the line and therefore the jig, off the bottom. Unfortunately when you are shore bound, this is the only productive way to fish since the current can be so fast that casting up current is futile since the jig will be right back at your feet after 3 or 4 short hops.


    This part is simple. As a general rule, morning is always good, regardless of the tide. Unfortunately or fortunately, depending how you look at it, Pompano rarely follow any general rule for long. You can kill them one morning and it will be absolutely nothing the next morning. They will hit mid morning, mid afternoon, and evening just as well. The one thing you can be sure is that they will be somewhere feeding at any given time. Except for nighttime, I have caught very few except for those rare days that they feed well after the sun set or before the sun rise.

    So get out when you can.

    What about the tide?

    Ingoing or outgoing tide doesn’t really matter, the strength of the associated current does. However, this factor is location dependent. Some place the bite is better on a strong tide, and some place the start or end of an incoming or outgoing tide is better. Start and maintain a log noting time, current and location when you catch them. The time of the year does come in to play too. The pattern you found may work in the Fall and not in the Spring for that particular location.

    Basically, there is no substitute for time on the water, just like any type of fishing.

    Also note that the tide and the size of the bridges that you are fishing matters. Slow tide at a long bridge like the HF equals slower current while the current at narrow bridge like CCC will be just right. The same goes for strong tide. It maybe unfishable at CCC but ideal at HF or Gandy. Again, get out there and fish, it is the only way to really know what I’m talking about. Also note that even on a quarter moon tide, the tide will be moving optimally some where. If you expand your horizon and have different places to fish for them, you can fish for them at almost any tide.


    One thing I’ve learn hanging around the various fishing forums is that giving away secret spots will anger some fishermen. Frank Sargeant is still alive not because he gave away a couple of secret spots but because he gave out hundreds of them . You give one spot away and the next morning, everyone and their mother show up. You give a hundred spot away and all of them remain untouched. I never see anyone fishing the spots in Frank’s book .

    So for the Tampa Bay area, I will start at the northern most barrier islands, mainly Anclote, Three Rooker, Honeymoon Island, and Caladesi Island. Barrier islands and passes are ideal feeding spots for Pompano. You get lots of current movement flushing out tasty debris that Pompano loves. It may be small clam, it may be sand fleas, or it may be small shrimp.

    The north and south part of any barrier island is where you want to fish. Current will sweep around the edges and the Pompano will be there waiting for food. The mouth of the pass is not only good for incoming tide. During the outgoing tide, the current will slow down as it opens up into the gulf. The current break is where you definitely want to try. Having said that, some days they are smack dab in the middle of the channel.

    You can stand on the beach and make long cast, or you can drift thru with your boat. Anchoring is generally a bad idea on a busy weekend, Lower your trolling motor and slow down your drift and use it to get out of the way when other boats travel thru the pass. The only way to learn the nuances of a pass is to fish it. The good thing is that once you learn it, you can apply what you learn thru out the various barrier islands and passes up and down the west and east coast. My brother took what he learned up here and fished the passes down in the Boca Grande area and was just as successful.

    Next, we’ll move south toward Fort Desoto and Skyway. Along the way there are Clearwater Pass, John’s Pass, Blinds Pass, Pass-a-grill, and Bunces Pass. If there is a bridge near any pass, try that too. Some pass, the fish only flow thru there. Their feeding station might be the nearest bridge or a spoil island with deep nice cut. The only way to know is to put in your time.

    As we move around the southern tip of Pinellas county, we have the Gulf Pier and the Bay Pier at Fort Desoto. These are actually great spring and late fall spot. The fish tend to run big during the fall and they are either 10 inches or 13-15 inches in the spring.

    We move inside the bay and the first stop is the Skyway Piers. It doesn’t matter if you are fishing the North or South Pier. The best spot are no more than 100 yards from where you pay toll. Except for the North Pier, some time they like that area behind the bait shop.

    As we move inside the bay, the first big bridge is the Gandy Bridge. Good old Gandy Bridge is my personal seafood aquarium. Not only does the Pompano moves thru there, the Mangrove Snappers are getting thicker and thicker every year. It is one of the best land based spot. It is free and open 24 hours and the catwalk part of the bridge on both side are actually the deepest part of the bridge aside from the main channel. Some year, it is the only spot you need to visit, other time, it’s hit or miss.

    As we move up further inside the bay, we come up to the longest span, the Howard Franklin. It’s the I 275 span that connects St Petersburg and Tampa. This is the ideal full moon and new moon bridge. Because of the length, it reduces the strong current flow when compared to CCC and Gandy. Normally it’s catfish central but it’s been known to give up Pompano every now and then.

    The last bridge in Upper Tampa Bay is the Courtney Campbell Causeway, or the part of highway 60 that crosses over the bay. Like the Gandy Bridge, there is a nearby ramp so your gas bill is minimal. This bridge is probably almost 20 miles inside Tampa Bay but it stills hold fish every year. I generally avoid this bridge during the full and new moon. The current is just too strong. But it is the best of the three bridges on those slow tide/current day.

    Every bridge is so long, where do I start? I wish I could narrow it down for you but honestly, I’ve caught them thru out the length of the bridge.

    Get out there and fish the area that is most convenient to you is the best advice I can give. There is absolutely no substitute for time on the water. For those of you that lives in this wonderful area, I’ve given you plenty of spots to try. The bay bridges alone will take you several years of casual outing to learn. For those of you that live outside the area, head for the nearest pass and bridges that span those pass. And shoot me an email, I would love to hear your success stories.

    There you have it ladies and gentlemen, 7years x 70 trips/year x 3 hours/trip = 1470 hrs of jigging and 1000’s of Pompano later, those pea brain size Jacks still have me wondering where they are sometimes.

  • #3724


    Lee, this is great. I’m so glad you posted this. I’ll need to take you up on that offer soon.

  • #3727

    Troy Battle

    Good job Lee. Class is in session!

  • #3728

    WTG Lee good stuff.

  • #3732


    this is awesome!! i never wanted to even try fishing or pompano because i didnt even know where to start. this is good stuff though!!!!!!!!

  • #3735


    Thanks for the Info. Maybe someday I can put it to use.

  • #3752


    Great info thanks for sharing. Can I ask one question, when do you think the best time of the year is for them?

  • #3753

    Late summer to early fall, big fat oily fish.

  • #3818

    Mike May

    Thanks for taking the time to give us a GREAT post. Will print this one for sure. Looking forward to your pictures as well.

  • #3819

    Nick Ress

    thanks a lot this is awsome!! the only question i have is that i live in the clearwater area and the only bridges around a pretty small…Will these work?

  • #3821

    Excellent Lee!! Folks, you can take this Info to the bank.

  • #3833

    There you have it…secret spots and all! Thanks Lee!

  • #3857

    Brad Barton

    Great stuff, I think I am going to try the skyway bridge. Has anyone had any luck there?

  • #3871

    fishmaster730 wrote:

    thanks a lot this is awsome!! the only question i have is that i live in the clearwater area and the only bridges around a pretty small…Will these work?

    People do catch them around the Memorial and Sand Key Causeway, but it’s a pretty steep learning curve. I would say the best bet in Clearwater w/out a boat is the beaches. With a boat, look for shallow sand flats with a fast current near them. It aint easy to stay on them, but when you do find them you can have a lot of fun. All IMO, Lee may have some better advice.

    Great tutorial Lee! I have one question. I have eaten Pompano about 6 or 7 times. 4 of the times it was the best fish I have ever eaten. 3 of the times, it was horrible. What is a fool proof way to cook them?

  • #3872


    Thanks a ton! This is GREAT info. Sounds like a challenge to learn. I will have to give this a run one of these mornings.

    Thanks again!


  • #3877

    I’ve revised it and finalized it. I think it is very comprehensive.

    Vince, did you eat it cold? Was it iced well, how did you prepare it? The oil in the Pompano makes it very fishy if you let a warm cooked fish goes cold.

    The foolproof way is gut it, de gill it, stuff the cavity with some lime and ginger and cover it in rock salt in a baking pan. Now set oven at 400 and bake it 25-30 minutes. You also might want to run your fillet knife and scraped out the little bit of slime, and rinse the cavity area with salt. When it is done, brush away the salt and just peel away the skin and eat it with a little of soy sause. Do not let it go cold!!

    Another way that works well with smaller fish is to clean it the same way(scale away the slime and rinse the cavity with salt). Pat dry with paper towel and score the fish. Now sprinkle garlic salt and rub some into the scored part and over the skin. Add enough oil to cover 1/2 the fish and heat it until it starts to smoke and back of a little bit. Drop fish in and cook the first side for 5 minutes and the second side for 4-5 minutes. Do not flip the fish back and forth while you are cooking. It will absorb too much oi. It will have a slightly blacken skin, crispy on the outside, and firm on the inside. Just cook each side once, lift it to see if it starts to get crispy and lower it back down if it doesn’t, don’t flip flop.

    Fishmaster, if you don’t mind paying, Pier 60 was very good this past Spring and early summer. You can also try the Sand Key jetty during the outgoing tide. On the incoming tide, drop inside the pass, east of the bridge, where the pass open up into a bigger area.

  • #3878

    aquaholik wrote:

    Vince, did you eat it cold? Was it iced well, how did you prepare it? The oil in the Pompano makes it very fishy if you let a warm cooked fish goes cold.

    It may have not been properly iced before it was cooked. I pretty much never carry ice because I very rarely keep fish. But I ate them right after they were cooked. I am pretty sure that the 3 times it was bad, I cooked them with the skin on. Does that make it more oily. It’s crazy that there could be such a difference, because when its good, its incredible. Same thing with Mac’s. I am guessing I messed up in getting it from the water to the oven.

  • #3895

    I usually fillet them leaving the skin on and broil them skin down on foil with olive oil, butter, and lemon pepper.

    Lee, great report…

    Now will you do one equally as researched for Flounder, Redfish, and Snook……

    Good Job though for real buddy…..

  • #3902

    Russ McCoy

    [QUOTE] Orginally Posted by Mulletboy

    It may have not been properly iced before it was cooked. I pretty much never carry ice because I very rarely keep fish. But I ate them right after they were cooked. I am pretty sure that the 3 times it was bad, I cooked them with the skin on. Does that make it more oily. It’s crazy that there could be such a difference, because when its good, its incredible. Same thing with Mac’s. I am guessing I messed up in getting it from the water to the oven.

    Mulletboy, You didn’t eat a Jackano, Did you?

  • #9762

    David Money

    Thank you for a great post. Printed it on waterproof paper for posterity. Thanks again

  • #9767


    That was a great read.
    You are one fine Pompador!

  • #9774

    Tim Guy

    I vote the 2008 best post on the forum. Great job

  • #9775

    Richard and I are going to get some on the job training Tuesday. We are fishing with Lee. Never too old to learn.

  • #9776

    Louis G

    Lee thanks for taking the time great post.

  • #9778


    Great post!
    My fishing buddy and I use to catch them on Honeymoon Island when the rock jetty was still perpendicular to the beach….not anymore since they change it and made the rock jetty horizontal to the beach….
    I once watch this guy limit out on them while all I was catching was reds and trouts..
    Oh well, live and learn!!!


  • #9779

    Surfisher wrote: I once watch this guy limit out on them while all I was catching was reds and trouts..

    Are you sure that wasn’t Lee……

  • #9783

    Thank you everyone, hopefully you can put it to use in your area. I must have slept at the Holiday Inn the night before that post.

    John, it couldn’t have been me at the rock jetty, I usually let the snook fishermen have all the room and fish further south around dog beach.

    Andy, hopefully John and I will find them tomorrow morning. The wind and rain tends to mess up the pattern and scatters them again.

  • #9793

    They were doing well last Friday early after the tide change….hopefully the wind will die down some for tomorrow morning.

  • #9795

    Originally Posted by Surfisher
    I once watch this guy limit out on them while all I was catching was reds and trouts..

    Are you sure that wasn’t Lee……

    John, it couldn’t have been me at the rock jetty, I usually let the snook fishermen have all the room and fish further south around dog beach.

    It could have been…I was fishing by the dog beach at the time and not the jetty..

  • #9803

    If that guy was casting really far out 150ft+ then yes, it was me. I beach almost every fish too and then it goes either into the cooler or on the stringer.

  • #9816

    Love this article man. I’ve applied some of your techniques and had some success. My pomp spot isnt as good as yours are but an outing with 1 or 2 is cool w me. My question is – how do you get those Doc’s w the teaser to hit bottom in a strong current or wind? Is it possible? Maybe better to switch to a bright colored jig then? Also is it just me but i catch them on gotchas, maybe flashy lures work good?

  • #9817


    Thanks Lee, great article!
    Where can I get the swivel jigs?

    Thanks and best regards

  • #9824

    bo gorham

    fantastic read! this is what these forums are all about. sharing info to make us all more successful!

    thanks, and hope i live up to my end of the deal and contribute to the community myself.


  • #198418
    Neil Taylor
    Neil Taylor

    An old pompano topic by Lee, a great contributor to the site’s forum and the archive of articles we have here.

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    Neil Taylor
    Neil Taylor
    Some digging through the Pompano Archives. More to come, this from page 1 of a total of 90 topics with “pompano” in the Subject:


    Johnster – I am far an expert on pompano but here is what I know. The are members of the jack family and closely related to permit. Many have trouble telling them apart. They appear to be more crustacean feeders than minnows, but I have caught them on shrimp and shrimp imitating jigs. This is why the Doc’s Goofy is so good.
    With a boat many find them by watching for them skipping in their wake. They like to do this. I have caught them in a bit deeper flats on the inside of Tampa Bay where there is more sand than grass.
    Some do really well fishing the bridge pilings. Lee is a master, as is James Wisner.
    Some passes on the drop offs/edges are well know for them.
    On the beach I look for them in the swash channels. They move a lot more than snook.
    On the east coast (which I do not fish) I think they are a surf rod, sinker, sand flea gig.
    OH well, no wonder I catch 4 a year!
    OK I will try to answer all of these questions.
    To make the rig start with a swivel I use 12-15#test leader first length is about 12″ tie a 3/4oz Doc’s Jig(I like the yellow and white), then tie onto the same swivel another piece of leader about 6-8″long and tie on a 1/4oz Doc’s Jig here I switch up the color maybe all white or all yellow some guys use a fly like in the picture. That is the rig.
    Pompano feed in swift moving water. They feed on small crabs, shrimp, sand flea etc that when the tide is ripping is exposing the bait on the bottom.
    Working the jig is very easy, cast it out let it sink tot he bottom then give the rod a good jerk then let it sink back down to the bottom and jerk again and again and again.
    Fish pass’s on a strong incoming or better a str
    ong outgoing tide the stronger the better.

    Hope that helps.
    The IGFA Flordia Record Pompano is 8.4lb, caught Port St.Joe, 10/16/99, by Barry Houston. John When I Pompano fish I fish a pass. I have tried to catch them on a fly when I have seen them skipping in my wake running a flat on the beach just never have had one eat. I have heard of them caught and I saw a guy hook up in a school I was working off of Cayo Costa a few years ago and land it. I am still shooting for a Permit and a Pompano on a fly.

    Biggest I have seen around here was around 5#’s. Port St.Joe is in North Fla Applach area.
    For what it’s worth, I keep catching Pompano on a MiniDine when I’m actually fishing for something else on some grass flats. Yes, I am sure they are Pompano. They are not very big but fun to catch. I’ve begun to think that they are attracted to the pedals on my Hobie kayak .
    I would put money on there being a bigger pompano… I could just imagine how many people have caught huge pompano and dismissed them as a small permit.
    Terry, when you claim you’re catching them one after another on a spoon, we’ll know it’s time to revive the infamous Jackano thread; all 18 pages.
    I have been hearing that the pompano fishing is picking up. I have caught pompano in the past but have never really targeted them. Im wondering which is a better bet; the bridges or beach. Im not asking for specific spots just ideas. Thanks for the help.

    They can be anywhere between those, watch the reports or just get out and try to target them.

    It might be a little early for the bridges though, but you never know….
    Years ago in the 80’s growing up in Destin/Ft. Walton area we used to take a 7ft step ladder and set it up in about 4ft of water on the Gulf beach just out from the wash, climb up on top and wait for them to come by. We could catch ’em pretty good back then.
    Incoming tide, white Doc’s w/ pink teaser. I don’t really think the color is as important as making sure you’re always in contact w/ the bottom. It’s the “puff” of sand the jig creates that triggers the bite.
    I heard there suckers for the color gold

    from my experience, yes, the bridge piling pompano are mainly targeted during the summer months…

    they eat crustaceans mainly…sand fleas, small crabs, shrimp, etc….

    But they are pretty readily caught on jigs like the Doc’s, and I tend to have better luck with the yellow or yellow/white with a pink teaser…either tied on a loop knot at the jig, or about 18″ above the jig on a loop knot…or even the teaser free sliding above the jig.


    Others do catch them on the flats, in sand troughs, on the beach and jetties….

    The above are a few that the resident expert (Aquaholik) and I caught a few years ago from the bay bridges


    Roll the dice and pick a pass. Now flip a coin and choose outgoing or incoming.


    I try to fish an hour before and after the change of tides.


    I go when I can this time of year. I don’t think the bite shuts down so much in the midday like it can in the heat of Summer.
    I do prefer the ends and beginnings of a tide, though. They’re funny fish, and you just have to be there ready when they decide to show up. But it’s worth the time and effort. They are ridiculously fun to catch!

    A bit new to the site; where do I find this article?

    Here ya go! [wave]


    It’s easier to think like any other fish than a pompano. Good luck figuring them out. They like current, crustaceans and comfortable temperatures. The beaches near passes early in the morning are a good bet…even better when there’s a tide in the morning. Keep it on the bottom and bump, bump, reel. If you don’t catch one in about 5 hours of constant casting, they’re probably not there.

  • #417928

    The pompano I was on for three months finally moved.  That’s part of the game:  Knowing where they are.    This years pompano fishing, the best I have ever seen.

    It is interesting to see how things go year to year.   Last year we had to catch them early.   This year the action was better late in the morning.     The yellow jig, pink teaser remained the very best option.      My teasers have caught on.    I’ve sold a couple thousand in the past month.     Not a profit thing, I put that money back into “materials.”   Now I have stuff to tie jigs for the next four years.

    Anyway, I published articles on pompano fishing.    Jigging/Jiggling .    Jiggling is a talent that will produce fish on days the fish are not as aggressive.     Wiggle that teaser in place on the bottom and they will slurp it

    No question, I wish pompano fishing was good 360 days a year.   They are the most fun fish to catch.     They make a great fish spread.     I hope the trend is for great pompano fishing in the years to come.

    New developments coming in pompano jigs

  • #418051

    They came back.    And they got bigger.

    A trick:   lighten your jig.   I’ve seen people using pompano jigs that are just too big.  Necessary in higher current, use the lightest jig possible that will still get to the bottom

  • #433787

    I haven’t heard from Lee this year. .      I wonder if he has been into them.   Probably because last time I was where he likes to go I did well..

    It is the second straight year of EASY pompano fishing.

    The key:   The teaser.

  • #434738

    2018 was another successful year for pompano.   I hope it continues every year.     Thanks to Scott Moore and some of my other connections we put a hurting on the poachers.   Hopefully permanently.

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